Everybody Works – REWORK

37signals' co-founders Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson discuss their unique approach of operating without full-time managers. They reflect on the company's experience with full-time managers and share why they've moved to a flatter organization.

*Key Takeaways*

00:54 - The before and after of 37signals' experience with full-time managers

08:34 - The founders thoughts on being directly involved in the business

10:36 - Why the company's management hierarchy works best for the founders

17:17 - 37signals' career ladder doesn't necessarily mean people leadership

20:03 - What company size makes sense for having more management layers

*Links and Resources*

"We once more have no full-time managers at 37signals" post by David Heinemeier Hansson – https://world.hey.com/dhh/we-once-more-have-no-full-time-managers-at-37signals-f8611085

Books by 37signals - https://37signals.com/books

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